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October 31, 2005

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Terry:

Your penultimate sentence in today's posting is one that should be drilled, ingrained, memorized and recited over and over by conservationists and those of us who want to "stand by the land". Compensation enough? Absolutely! It's time for some organization to put a pricetag on the 200 yrs.+ of govt. giveaways (beginning with the Homesteading Acts of the mid-19th Century) and let's use this as a "down payment" against all these claims for restitution and compensation.

Your point about habitat vs. species is also made with laser-like precision. Once again, a certain "blinding by the science" has occurred, with resulting great detriment to our planet.

Thanks for a really good and vital post. With the first court victory overturning M37, the stakes have only been increased and those of us who want to remain good stewards of Oregon's gifts need to be ready to wage the war with intelligence, perservance and (where possible) good humor.

Suppose there were no bill of rights; no bill of individual rights.

You could rule.

ANARCHY RULES.

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/spain.htm

"It is to be expected that Communists, fascists, and the other bloodthirsty zealots of the 20th century would brutally murder people for their beliefs. One would be surprised if moderate Republicans, moderate Socialists, and moderate monarchists restrained themselves from widespread murder in the midst of a fratricidal civil war. But one would hope that a movement condemning the state for its age-old brutality, and advocating an end to all human domination, would have behaved differently. Instead, it is clear that Anarchist militants were at the vanguard of the murder squads on the Republican side."

Can you instead paint a picture of your utopia and where it is that people fit within it?

The set of freedoms that are guarded in the bill of rights are the last line of defense against the ambitions of other men (and women). The peculiarity of that ambition is not as important as the protection of individual liberties.

Without security as to one's property it is hard to envision any security as to one's person.

Suggested reading:
http://pdxnag.com/drupal/node/834
Zobel v. Williams, 457 US 55 (1982)
http://laws.findlaw.com/us/457/55.html
Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982)
http://laws.findlaw.com/us/457/202.html

It is just a belief, after all . . . mere words.

Ron,

I don't think I mentioned "utopia' in this post, not did I challenge property rights. I did imply, however, that the right to own property is not absolute. In other words, it's not a right above all others, and it should never trump the right of the people through government to provide for the "common good."

The utpoia point was intended as an open ended question.

The common good and a more perfect union (or other glowing phrases) are more similar to one another than the phrases might at first imply.

The bill of rights are designed to protect against things that have in the past been empirically shown to reduce the common good. It is impossible to paint a complete picture but it is possible to describe a few categories of issues where any political body has a tendency to get carried away. Eg. A king may be infinitely benevolent but that benevolence itself cannot, in my mind, serve as complete rationalization of a scheme of having kings for the common good; though they may themselves make such an argument.

Individual rights really have no description except in the context of limits on government.

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